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Putin is America's enemy, and America is the world's enemy, because it is infected by a parasite.
Putin's Christianity is a lesser evil.

When two infected zombies fight, the healthy ones are relieved.

Putin's multipolar world where cultures and races are preserved and given autonomy, is preferable to America's unipolar melting pot world order.

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Many Fascists also said that about Germany but Mussolini made an alliance with Hitler & Hitler was deeply influenced by Mussolini.

I would say the new & British Hitler will be influenced by Putin & Putin will eventually have to make an alliance with the United Kingdom & the United States in order to defend Russia from Germany & Italy.
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There is no British Hitler.
There can never be one.
Putin is not a fascist.


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No one ever thought there would be a Hitler who tried to get rid of the Versailles treaty but there was.
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Hitler was a product of WWI.
The allies treated Germany poorly, and this made Hitler possible.

Britain is all but gone.
What's left is Scotland, Ireland, Wales...England is finished.

Heisman made the case that England was finished when the Norse conquered them.

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Perhaps there will be a WWIII which will make a British Hitler from Ireland and based mainly in Scotland possible.

It may be true that England is finished but if the new Hitler is Irish & is based in Scotland then that makes it plausible, does it not?
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Who knows?

Why are you obsessed with Hitler?

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I just think Putin is a new Mussolini & a new Hitler will arise therefore in Britain not Germany this time.
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I disagree...Britan is the last place anything will emerge from.

Like I said....Britain is entirely Americanised.
The people are not like the Germans prior to WWII....most are brainwashed.....soft.

The Germans had suffered a defeat and shame...

But if you want to believe this....so be it.

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It's precisely Germany & Italy which have become soft. Waiting for them to start a movement influenced by Putin will have you waiting even longer than one from Scotland.
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Voegelin, Eric wrote:
Again, the determination of this area of agreement will permit us to fix the point at which Marx departs from Bakunin. Marx does not share the primordial lust of destruction with his rival, nor the absence of any idea of order. He is willing to guide the revolution by providing it with a “scientific” system of social theory and a “philosophy” of history. In this respect, the organizing will of Marx, his dictatorial intellectualism, is related to that of Comte. Bakunin, on the other hand, heartily detests both Marx and Comte because their "authoritarianism" would limit his lusty passion for destruction by visions of responsible, ordering action. Moreover, Marx goes beyond Bakunin in defining the, proletariat as the specific agent of the revolution instead of the vague "poor classes”, “masses” and “real people.” In the 1860’s, when Marx is engaged in laying the groundwork for an international organization of the proletariat, Bakunin still indulges in romantic pamphlets glorifying the Russian robber. Nevertheless, while at the end of their lives the scientistic, authoritarian socialism of Marx and the anarchistic revolutionary existence of Bakunin have moved far apart, we should be aware of the common beginnings. The Marxian line of revolution was successful because of the elements that were missing in Bakunin, but the system of Marx would never have been written and never exerted its influence unless it had originated in the genuine pathos of revolutionary existence that we find in its purity in Bakunin.
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Voegelin, Eric wrote:
’With me the Ideal is nothing but the Material transformed and translated in the head of man.’ The sentence sounds excellent and carries a vivid impression; it would have to be considered brilliant if it were an occasional, rhetorical flourish that metaphorically expresses what has been set forth with critical thoroughness in another context. The trouble is that the other context in which this metaphor would receive its critical meaning does not exist in the collected works of Marx. The metaphorical sentence is all that we have. We are faced with an ‘Ideal’ and a ‘Material’ without knowing what these terms signify.
We are told that the Ideal is the same as the Material but ‘transformed and translated’ and we are left to ponder what the terms ‘transform’ and ‘translate’ in this relation might conceivably mean. And, finally, we learn that the locale of this mysterious process is the ‘head of man’ and we wonder whether Marx means a miracle of brain physiology or a mental activity, whether he thinks of cognitive acts of some specific man or of a cosmic process under the collective skull of mankind. Nevertheless, to the kind of reader who swallows that sentence hook, line and sinker, it conveys an awe-inspiring picture of an intellectual giant who, performs such wonderful metaphorical feats as ‘turning dialectics upside down,’ and putting it ‘on its feet’ while formerly ‘it stood on its head.’
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We can be brief on the problem of inversion proper. Our analysis has shown that the so-called inversion of Hegelian dialectics through Marx is a complicated operation. We have, first, isolated the anti-philosophical attack which results in the establishment of an empirical pragmatic reality as the object of further investigation as well as of a special linguistic medium for its expression. This first phase of the operation is not an inversion of dialectics but the logophobic destruction of philosophical problems in general. Within the new medium of expression, nothing is inverted; the Hegelian gnosis is translated as a whole into pseudological speculation. The inversion in the technical sense occurs in a third phase in which the result of the first two preparations is construed as un interpretation of the realms of being from the bottom of the ontological hierarchy. On this third phase, however, we can be brief, because Marx has said next to nothing about it beyond assuring us that this was indeed his intention.
The execution of his plan would have involved a philosophy of culture. First, he would have had to explain the nature of cultural Phenomena; secondly, it would have been necessary for him to show that these phenomena could be interpreted from whatever he would consider the bottom of existence, as for instance, matter; and, finally, it would have been necessary to explain what this bottom of existence is. Of this whole plan, as far as principles are concerned, nothing exists but the previously analysed formula of the consciousness that is conditioned by existence.”
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Voegelin, Eric wrote:
The starting point for the independent movement of Marx’s thought seems to be a gnostic position which he inherited from Hegel, specifically, the Marxian gnosis expresses itself in the conviction that the movement of the intellect in the consciousness of the empirical self is the ultimate source of knowledge for the understanding of the universe.
Faith and the life of the spirit are expressly excluded as an independent source of order in the soul. Moreover, this conviction is from the beginning accompanied by an attitude of revolt against ‘religion’ as a sphere which recognizes the existence of a realissimum beyond human consciousness. This is the Marxian position as it appears in his doctoral dissertation of 1840-41.
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Voegelin confirms the Gnostic connection between all three Abrahamic variants and Communism, through Marx's Jewish heritage.

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The attitude of revolt becomes historically effective through the fascinating program of incarnating the logos in the world by means of revolutionary human action. For Hegel, the logos (reason) was incarnating itself in reality, and because reason was in reality its manifestation could be discovered through the reflection of the philosopher. His philosophy, of history was a contemplation of the actual unfolding of the Idea in reality. Never could the unfolding of the Idea be made the intention of human action. We should be aware in particular that Hegel’s definition of the great historical figure as a person whose actions are in conformance with the movement of the Idea is not a recipe for becoming great historical figure by producing this conformance at will. Nevertheless, this is precisely the perversion in which Marx indulged. Hegel’s gnosis was contemplative. Instead of abandoning gnosis and restoring true contemplation, Marx abandoned contemplation and translated gnosis into action.
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If ‘god’ is an irrational human construct, then man would become that which is absent – the ideal man.


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This characterization must be qualified, however, insofar as Marx does not conceive the logos as a transcendental spirit descending into man, but as a true ‘essence’ of man which comes into its own through the process of history. Man, that is the true man, must be emancipated from historical encumbrances which still hold him in fetters in order to Achieve his completely free existence in society. The true essence of man, his divine self-consciousness, is present in the world as the ferment which drives history forward in a meaningful manner. At some point, this essence will break through-first in one man, then in a few, until the great revolution will bring the full social realization of true man.
The conception of this breakthrough is substantially the same as in Comte’s realization of the positive mind in one individual through the process of his meditation and the expansion of this personal renovation into social regeneration. The Marxian spiritual disease, thus, like the Comtean, consists in the self-divinization and self-salvation of man; an intramundane logos of human consciousness is substituted for the transcendental logos. What appeared on the level of symptoms as anti-philosophism and logophobia, must etiologically be understood as the revolt of immanent consciousness against the spiritual order of the world.
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Man must become his own god - straight out of Jewish mysticism - because it is inevitable - he has to say in the mater.
Denial of free-will is a way of concealing motive within mystical fatalism - represented as a "ferment" of historical inevitability.
Marx adopts Abrahamism to rebel against nature, promising that this necessary for man to become his own god.
Marxism is a revolution against nature, and the creation of a truly 'free man' - a self-creating man,' only this emancipation must be collective.
American ism promises the same through money and the attainment of the "right" to pretend he is whatever he pleases. Money is divine sanctioning, via the collective's monetary approval.
In Marxism this approval is collectivized and evenly distributed. Not a few chosen but all will be emancipated form nature.

Voegelin, Eric wrote:
The Marxian critical practice starts with the critique of religion and it proceeds to the critique of politics and economics. The problem of this systematically second phase has been formulated by Marx in the Kritih der Hegelschen Rechtsphitosophie. ”The critique of religion ends with the insight that man is the highest being for man; this implies the categorical imperative to overthrow all relationships in which man is a humiliated, oppressed, neglected, despised being.” “The critique of religion is the presupposition of all critique.” In the illusionary reality of heaven, man “has looked for the superman”; instead he found the reflection of himself. Now he realizes that he himself is the superman and he will no
longer be satisfied with recognizing himself as the “non-man (Unmensch)” that he formerly believed himself to be. “Man makes religion, not religion man.” “Religion is the self-consciousness and self-feeling of a man who either has not yet found himself, or who has lost
himself again.” This man, however (directed against Feuerbach!), is not an abstract being outside the world. “Man is the world of man,” that is state and society. This social world produces religion “as a perverted consciousness of the world because it is a perverted (verkert) world.”
Religion is the general theory of a perverted world. It gives, imaginary reality to human essence (Wesen) because human essence has no true-reality.” “The struggle against religion is the struggle against that world of which religion is the spiritual aroma.” Religious misery is the manifestation of real misery, and at the same time a protest against it.
Religion is the cry of oppressed creatures – “it is the opium of the people.
[From Enlightenment to Revolution]
See the connection with Nietzsche’s and Nazism conceptions of Übermensch?
The difference is that Marxism wants to make it a collective program. All will become gods living in their own created realities, not only the few who exploit the many towards this end.
Nature abhors a vacuum and the power vacuum left when Abrahamism’s one-god’ was psychologically assassinated must be filled by a man himself. The only disagreement is over whom and how this status will be attained.
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The last sentences should destroy the assumption (which is frequently made) that Marx was impressed by the actual misery of the worker in his time, and that with the material improvement of the works lot the causes of the revolution would disappear. Social reform
is not a remedy for the evil which Marx has in mind. This evil is the growth of the economic structure of modern society into an “objective power” to which man must submit by threat of starvation. The principal characteristic features which appear on and off in the descriptions
of Marx can now be summarized:
(1) The separation of the worker from his tools. This characteristic is determined by industrial technology. No man can individually own and operate the tools of modern industrial production. The ‘factory or,
generally, the ‘place of work’ cannot be the ‘home.’
(2) Job dependence. This characteristic has the same determining cause. No man can earn a living in an industrial system unless he finds a job in some ‘enterprise’ which assembles the tools for production and markets the product.
(3) Division of labor. No man can produce any whole product. The process of production must be centrally planned, and the single worker is confined to the phase in the process assigned to him. Marx was very much aware of the supreme insult to human dignity which lies in the
fact that at the end of his life, when a man summarizes what he has accomplished, he may have to say: all my life I have spent in cooperating in the production of a certain type of Grand Rapids furniture and thereby degraded humanity in myself and others.
(4) Specialization. This characteristic is intimately connected with the preceding one. Even if the total product is not an insult to human dignity, the productivity of man has no appreciable range for unfolding if his work is confined to a small sector of production on which as a
whole he has no influence.
(5) Economic interdependence. No man can live a whole life if his existence is permanently threatened, not by natural catastrophes as in the case of a peasant, but by social actions beyond his control - be they new inventions, or the closing of a market through a tariff, or miscalculation of management, or change in customers taste, or a general economic crisis.
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Voegelin, Eric wrote:
Epilogue
The expansion of the will to power from the realm of phenomena to that of substance or the attempt to operate in the realm of substance pragmatically as if it were the realm of phenomena - that is the definition of magic. The interrelation of science and power and the consequent cancerous growth of the utilitarian segment of existence have injected a strong element of magic culture into modern civilization, The tendency to narrow the field of human experience to the area of reason, science and pragmatic action, the tendency to over value this area in relation to the bios theoretikos and the life of the spirit, the tendency to make it the exclusive preoccupation of man, the tendency to make it socially preponderant through economic pressure in the so-called free societies and through violence in totalitarian states - all these tendencies are part of a cultural process that is dominated by the idea of operating on the substance of man through the instrumentality of pragmatically planning will. The climax of this is the magic dream of creating the Superman, the man-made Being that will succeed the sorry creature of God’s making. This is the great dream that first appeared imaginatively in the works of Condorcet, Comte, Marx and Nietzsche and later pragmatically in the Communist and National Socialist movements”
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Reminds me of the christian use of logos. Pure idea, pure abstraction, an ideal disconnected from the senses, empirically unverifiable, but which is put on a pedestal as the ultimate reality, in contrast to the mundane world of the senses which is merely material.
Therefore, you don't need evidence for a god or souls or an afterlife - such things are beyond evidence and you are ignorant and low status for assuming otherwise.
A mutilated transvestite is a woman... because reality is invented by a declaration. If you say it, it is so. Because words and feelings and ideas are the basis of reality. First was the word.

It seems like a total inversion of what actually occurs.
universe>solar system>earth>biological organisms>conscious minds>words
A mind creates the universe.


A lot hinges on whether people go for the Ideal or the Real, from what I've seen.

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Yes....it's all connected to the same psychosis.

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Satyr wrote:
Yes....it's all connected to the same psychosis.
Let's investigate that 'psychosis':

Infantilization, Feminization, Emasculation, Domestication

The middle and lower classes of society are intended to be the servile/servant class for the wealthy and elite.  Thus American propaganda and indoctrination is aimed at precisely this end/goal.  Christianity and Abrahamism are further methods of sophistication for these indoctrinations.

The Masses are intended to be neutered or wing-clipped, circumcised.  But these methods change based on the environment.  It wasn't long ago, not but a Century or two, that American indoctrination was very different, and aimed specifically toward the Anglo stock, to colonize the New World and violently subdue American Native Indian and Mexican populations.  Thus, during these 'harsher' times, before now, Americans were 'freer' and stronger, far healthier than now.  Photos from decade to decade demonstrate the health and vitality of Americanism over the past 100, 150, 200 years.

Since the Colonization project completed, Post-Colonialism radically and quickly changed its tune toward the population's propaganda and indoctrination.  Much of this Acceleration (of Degeneration), or social Regress, came from the mass-importation of Jews who caused the calamity in Central Europe in the 20th Century, from WWI to WWII, and the Cold War.  Upon bringing these Bolsheviks, Trotskyites, Zionists, Radical Jews from under Nazi Germany, and Stalin's Russia, they carried with them their intense hatred of European/White peoples.  And for a time, they were grateful to American Anglos (during the 1950s-1990s), when the memory of being 'saved' was fresh in their minds.  The Baby Boomers were the product of this era.

But as times change, the surge of wealth evaporates, the Middle and Lower classes of the United States and West have no economic, social, cultural, or political opportunities...they become radicalized and bent toward whatever indoctrinated upon them by Mass Media, or "Higher Education" (Indoctrination).  Thus we see the battle of the Zionists and Israelis, to quell American University protests right now, today.

The limits are now being defined and pushed, as control over the Western Narrative slips.


Back to the main point,

The American Masses lost control of their 'Education' system in the 1960s and 70s, specifically when Southern states were forced at gunpoint to Desegregate their public schools.

This was the beginning of the end.  Because if the masses cannot control the education of their youth—then they cannot control their future.


Infantilization is always a threat of mass Urbanization, and over-Socialization.  Since America has turned Imperialistic (after the Federation won the Civil War and Federalized the U.S., then went on to fight global wars in Europe and beyond), the era of a 'free-thinking' population ended decades ago.  Instead, the masses are intended to be Servants, Slaves to the Upper-classes and the Neo-Marxists who took over America's education system, federal reserve, mass media, and congress.

This is also why the "Classical Liberals" of America disappeared, seemingly overnight, suddenly, and Americans no longer believe in "Free Will"—but also balk and reject the notion outright.

They no longer have any (political/social/cultural) conception of "Freedom" or "having a Free-Will".
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American Marxism, imported from Europe during the 1940s and 50s, is on full display now.

It has become absorbed into the Neo-Conservative movement, by Evangelical Zionists, who serve Jews as their Masters and Lords.  American "Protestants" are willing servants and slaves to Jews, Israel, and Zionism.  This is due, primarily, to a wide variety of American Protestant Churches who proclaim the "Second Coming of Christ" upon the fulfillment of Jewish prophesies.  They believe in Armageddon and the "End Times".  Thus they serve Zionism and Israel, Jews in general, in order to complete these Biblical prophesies.

Because American Neo-Conservatives serve these ideologies and the Jewish tribes, where their true loyalty has ever been, adapting Marxism to the United States has had little resistance.  Jews have two devices here: the adulation and zealotry of the Protestant-Christian-Evangelical-Right, along with their Secular-Leftist-Liberal-Globalist contingent.  Left and Right, both work toward Jewish and Israeli, Marxist interests.

They preach 'Diversity' (but not for themselves).
They preach 'Democracy' (but not for themselves).
They preach 'Race-mixing' (but not for themselves).
They preach 'Inclusivity and Tolerance' (but not for themselves).

The list of contradictions and hypocrisies goes on and on.

Americans are beginning to see the cracks, flaws, damage, and destruction of these (Marxist) ideologies.  Left and Right, both are made to serve Israel/Zionist political and religious agendas.  None of them are "America First" or Nationalistic toward the American people.  Hence, the American populace is like a herd of Livestock, bred for slaughter, bred to have their (Goy) blood drained and consumed.  Like Ukraine, under Jewish leadership, a mass human sacrifice intended to summon demons (the Anti-Christ), under their Gnostic-Cabalistic religious and spiritual beliefs.

Eastern European Slavs kill one another, to serve Zionist and Israeli political interests, as many Jewish Rabbis explicitly claim and brag about: to create a living space for their own Jewish Kin.

Ukraine has long been a top market for child sex-slavery and child-trafficking.  This is also why the Democrat Party is in waste-deep in corruption over there (linked to Hunter Biden, and bribed all the way to Joseph Biden).
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