- Timon wrote:
- Satyr wrote:
- What makes you think man has to become omniscient?
How simple you are.
Do you live under a rock?
What do you think the Enlightenment project is all about?
The search for the theory of everything... the technological singularity.
Eternal life.
The masses huddled in front of the electric Jew stuffing down their Big Macs.
Are the churches full?
Once more, what makes you think humans can ever be omnipotent or omniscient.
Science is also infected with your psychosis....your humble arrogance.
They've been looking for the 'god particle' as well.
They still talk about M-Theory and the "beginning of the universe" because they are also indoctrinated and suffer from the same psychosis.
Shared madness.
- Timon wrote:
- Greek materialist philosophies combined with Christian materialism (the material possessed of divine attributes).
Man aspires to Godhood after the failure of a weak religion.
The particle accelerator replaces the cathedral.
Yes...once more, the psychosis of humble arrogance.
There is no 'god particle' no 'beginning of the universe' and no absolute.
M-Theory is impossible.
- Timon wrote:
- A very feminine world view quite at odds with traditional patriarchal metaphysics where man is made in God's image and the world has been made to conform to his needs/wishes.
A feminine world is a world where gossip, hearsay, social issues, the myth of love, relationships, emotions, subjectivity, dominates... cultivating, nurturing but never challenging, never innovating...never progressing.
Your Abrahamic one-god is the god of the feminine and the emasculated.
An authoritarian, totalitarian, god - hypermasculine god - where all must become his female concubines and breed his flock, his children.
Like sheeple.....the flock doesn't breed their own lambs, they belong to the shepherd to do as he pleases.
- Timon wrote:
- No, a wannabe. A pretender.
God is beyond comprehension, forever. Imagination cannot encompass Him.
A powerful antidote to egomaniacal materialists.
Beyond reality....beyond proof and argument. Conveniently...a god for insane schizophrenics.
You may be able to take the 'word of another' to surpass your doubts, but I can't.
My integrity doesn't permit me to fall that low.
How did Hitchen's put it:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Simpleton. if you think I'm going to waste my time on a moron that wants me to believe what she cannot define, nor prove, nor admittedly understand herself, then you guilty of a greater error in judgement....There's a forum with individuals like you...ILP...I'm sure you know if it.
There you will find all kind of buffoons making all kinds of outlandish claims....being humoured for years on end. One refuses to define the words she is using, and others indulge her psychosis and continue to attempt a discussion with her... on nothing....because nothing has been defined, so what the hell are they debating?
Perhaps their god-given right to remain idiotic and not be pressured to prove otherwise.
- Timon wrote:
- They're all materialists, cut from the same cloth.
Each believes in the supremacy of the material.
Each advances their own utopian ideals.
You have issues with what is observable, tangible....don't ya?
Body image issues?
Many woman have those.
'Matter', for me, isn't a "thing" but a form of energy - a process.
Measurable, definable, falsifiable, observable, testable...useful.
The only use for your undefined ideas, with no reference, is as a narcotic.
But why do morons, like you, insist on becoming pushers of a narcotic nobody denied their choice to use?
I didn't come to your opium den to dissuade you from using it. In fact, I like that you use it - I prefer it.
I know what an addict without his drug oif choice is capable of.
I certainly don't want that.
- Timon wrote:
- And therefore barbarity is justified?
And therein is revealed your dark addiction to the material.
Regardless of the destruction it spreads.
Define "material".
I bet you that I don't accept nor believe in what you will describe.
Yet...you came here accusing me of it.
Simpleton, peace is atrophy, death is peace....whatever your emotional reactions might be.
"
Necessity is the mother of invention" this is what Heraclitus means by "
War is the father of all".
You are fighting, right now, as we speak, killing billions of living bacteria, repairing the damage they've done, using energies you've appropriated - stolen, exploited - from plants and animal life - LIFE, you've massacred and fed on.
You are responsible for a holocaust by the time you die and bacteria have their way with you.
- Timon wrote:
- Your attempt to paint the other as feminine is telling.
Does that shadow grow darker with age?
Your feminine psyche is obvious. You want to give yourself to another, body and mind; you want to surrender your will to it....become its means to its end.
That's the psychology of a female.
You fantasize about the one-god as a male figure, with masculine traits.
Commanding, controlling, demanding...asserting, taking...
- Timon wrote:
- I'm a Perrenialist.
A dabbler in various traditions.
Not a Hellene, not an indo-European traditionalist..you are Hebraic, Judaized.
Shame on you.
- Timon wrote:
- Is this prespective informed by Western science?
I don't think so.
Metaphysics.
Can you show me a beginning and an end.
But you need a beginning...a state of non-existence from where your god created existence from nothing.
Without this your Jewish god is debunked. Made entirely unnecessary.
- Timon wrote:
- Not on the scale of the materialists.
Not even close.
Read your history and factor in technology.
The biggest - per capita - holocaust ever perpetrated was by Christians...Americans.
Are you implying that you are "good" because you slaughtered less humans in the name of your god?
Ha!!!
How few can I slaughter and still maintain access to Paradise?
God...the book keeper.
Ha!!
- Timon wrote:
- It's a question of balance.
The failure of the Ummayad Caliphate at the Battle of Tours in 730 was a great tragedy.
Had they won much of the horror perpetrated by Europeans could have been avoided.
Your bible is full of slaughter and divinely sanctioned brutality.
Superstitious nonsense, but imbeciles still believe in it - literally.
- Timon wrote:
- Wrong. Western science was built on absolutes. Time and space, eternal, unchanging.
Time/Space is unchanging?
Simpleton.....time measures change...and space is expanding, and dividing...
Not things...ideas you confuse for things.
There is no immutable indivisible thing called time or space.
- Timon wrote:
- God doesn't play dice.
Isn't that what you believe... no beginnings or endings?
Another Jew quote.
Ha!!
In fact....the cosmos is not absolutely ordered...and what you call 'chance' refers to chaos - non-patterned energies.
It makes free-will and life necessary...not only possible, but necessary.
Ananke - primordial goddess = need, necessity.
Without chaos free-will is a joke.
Otherwise, imbecile...your god created a toy to brutalize and play with....because its bored....which puts in question its declared omnipotence.
Shit...you dragged me down to your level and are now forcing me to discuss ideas I was debating 20 years ago with infantile minds, like yours.
I'm not going to waste my time like that anymore. I wasted months on it, no years in fact - It was fun, for a while, then it became worthless and frustrating, as all conversations with retards and insane people.
An exercise in futility.
I'm just going to repeat..
1- your omniscient, omnipotent benevolent one-god made evil, or tolerates it...so go back to him and ask him why.
2- if everything requires a creator, then who created your god - infinite regress based on your confusions between representation and represented. A common confusion since self-consciousness is relatively new - by evolutionary temporal standards.
3- if your god is omniscient and made us in his image, then he already knows what we will do...so why does he make us suffer eternal damnation when he already knows and made us to break his totalitarian rules?
Cruel god. A sadist.
4- he gave us 'free-will' but then denied us the ability to use it....or he already knows how we will use it. A game...again a sadistic god.
No, an insane god, since a game you already know the result of is not fun at all.
Anyway...not going to fall down to your level with this fairy-tale stuff.
- Timon wrote:
- They lived in symbiosis with the environment. Their animist faith did not place man above nature.
Yes, simpleton, because pagan traditional societies live in harmony with nature....they ascribe to nature a divinity.
The Olympian gods.
Even 65 IQ aborigines do it.
Your god is above beyond outside nature, moron.
Those who believe in your god usually believe nature - world - was created for them to use and abuse, and that humans have a privileged position above animals.
- Timon wrote:
- Ha!!!
From one who talks of fluids and probabilities?
Have you dilated today?
Abrahamism... the religion of the Patriarch compared to your more feminine world view of flowing possibilities.
Gender... fluid?
Read the scripture you worship...find there anti-family messages.
The very narration of a traveling rebellious bum - Jesus - taking boys away from their families is the epitome of anti-family, if you consider how crucial the loss of a healthy adult male was to the welfare of a family, at the time.
Your Scripture is concealed nihilism.
I'm not going to search for those quotes that openly speak against the traditional family, but if you have any integrity you'll do it yourself.
Just the hierarchy, alone, is anti-biologial fatherhood.
An imaginary father-figure, forces a man to raise his biological children according to his will.
Abraham was going to slaughter his one begotten son, to prove what to who?
He cucked his own wife to the Pharaoh...
The impregnation of Mary is another example of divine cuckoldry to be accepted by biological males as the right of the king to have his way with his concubines.
Grow, the fuck, up.
- Timon wrote:
- I'm not a Christian, but a Perennialism.
But don't you admire them?
You're an Abrahamic.
Not all spiritualities are equal.
- Timon wrote:
- What about the beauty that comes along with the savagery?
Yes...
What of it?
- Timon wrote:
- Right, because man has no choice over whether he commits evil.
He is just an animal.
Animals and all life has a choice. This is what differentiates the living from the non-living.
Who are you debating?
Do you know what I am saying?
Who told you I was against free-will?
Have you read anything I've posted, ever?
- Timon wrote:
- Yet he can reject his animal nature whilst not becoming tyrannical with the right spiritual practices.
You can choose to do good in the face of evil, as the Christians did in the Colliseum.
Define 'good'.
I define every concept I refer to.
Every single one.
Do you? or do you throw around words as if you were making a point, when you don't even know what you are talking about?
ILP...go there.
There's a moron there throwing around
Dasein, as if it is a devastating argument, a magical word, working in her favour...and the other morons humour her, and tolerate her...and continue to discuss with her....on what?
Nobody knows what the discussion is about....other than a word, 'Dasein', which can now mean anything, and nothing.
A meaningless discussion. Gibberish.
just to pass the time with pretentious pseudo-intellectual displays, and moral signaling.
The nonsense is about signalling moral belonging.
Defining terms would inhibit all-inclusivity. This way nobody is excluded nor hurt.
Subjectivity - everyone can have their own private definition of the word.
What matters is how it makes them feel.
- Timon wrote:
- I'm just doing my job is a refrain of those trying to shirk responsibility.
Calling yourself a reporter is to feign neutrality.
But not taking sides when evil presents itself is itself evil.
Objectivity is neutrality.
But once you see, what you do with it is entirely up to you.
So, objectivity leads to subjective success.
First you see 'what is', then you see who you are 'know thyself,' then you find an objective, a goal...
See, sweetie.
Objectivity is not an end, but a means - like asceticism.
- Timon wrote:
- Is the ever changing an absolute?
This is the umpteenth time I'm going to say it:
Absolute = indivisible, immutable.
Eternity has nothing to do with it, because eternity is a temporal reference, and time measures change - flux, interactivity - relative to an organism's physical metabolism, determining its mental speeds of perception and processing - its awareness.
'Time' is not a thing that exists out there. It refers to a relationship between patterned and non-patterned energies, relative to a life form.
Time measure change.
As such 'space' is a projection of possibilities - expanding, i.e., outward and inward.
There is no 'thing' out there called 'space'.
Space refers to the field of perceived interactivity - flux.
Space is full of Energy - ergo there is no absolute zero temperature, even seemingly empty space has a temperature - it has a measurable interactivity.
All that exists is energy.
No-Energy is an imagined state of non-existence.
Man's mind can invert what it perceives and so non-existence, or absolutes exist sonly in human brains, as vague, undefinable, unprovable, ideas, concepts, abstractions - abstractions are neural clusters.
So, in a sense, these concepts do exists as representations - like unicorn, like cyclops, like one-god, like one and nil (1/0) - with no external referents.